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The question I have heard asked over the last couple years is this, "is Ichiro better
than Pete Rose?" Some say Pete, some say Ichiro. So... I have decided to do some
data evaluation. At first glance, both are amazing players with HoF stats. Let compare the two.|
First, lets look at batting averages:
Ichiro Suzuki Seasons MLB : 17 Seasons PL (Japan) : 9 Best qualifying batting average MLB: .372 Best qualifying batting average PL : .385 Career average batting average MLB : .312 Career average batting average PL : .353 Pete Rose Seasons MLB : 24 Best qualifying batting average MLB: .348 Career average batting average MLB : .303Easy call, Ichiro overwhelmingly wins on batting average.
**Score: Ichiro 1 Pete 0
Now lets look at awards:
Ichiro Suzuki Seasons MLB : 17 Seasons PL (Japan) : 9 All-Star MLB : 10 All-Star PL : N/A Gold Glove Award MLB : 10 Gold Glove Award PL : 7 Batting Titles MLB : 2 Batting Titles PL : 6 League MVP MLB : 1 League MVP PL : 3 MLB Rookie of the Year : Yes PL Rookie of the Year : No Pete Rose Seasons MLB : 24 All-Star MLB : 17 Gold Glove Award MLB : 2 Batting Titles MLB : 3 League MVP MLB : 1 MLB Rookie of the Year : YesI have to give this to Ichiro also although not as big of a win with the exception of Ichiro gold glove awards that smokes Pete. Both were MLB Rookie of the years. Both won the MLB League MVP once. Ichiro did win it 3 other times in the P If you compare GG from MLB only Ichiro wins 10 to 2. If you add the PL, Ichiro wins 17 to 2. If you compare MLB only batting titles, it is a 3 to 2 win for Pete. If you add batting titles from PL, then it goes to Ichiro 8 to 3.
** Score: Ichiro 2 Pete 0
Next, lets look at hitting. This is where Pete brags he is the best of the best.
Ichiro Suzuki Seasons MLB : 17 Seasons PL (Japan) : 9 Total MLB Hits : 3061 Total PL Hits : 1278 * Total career hits (no minors) : 4339 ** hits/seasons : 166.88 Hits season best MLB : 262 Hits season best PL : 210 total 200-hit seasons MLB : 10 Total 200-hit seasons PL : 1 total 150-hit seasons MLB : 12 Total 150-hit seasons PL : 6 Most HRs in a season MLB : 15 Most HRs in a season PL : 25 Most 2Bs in a season MLB : 34 Most 2Bs in a season PL : 41 20 or more HR seasons MLB : 0 20 or more HR seasons PL : 2 Most RBIs in a season MLB : 69 Most RBIs in a season PL : 91 100 or more RBI seasons MLB : 0 100 or more RBI seasons PL : 0 Pete Rose Seasons : 24 Total MLB Hits : 4256 * Total career hits (no minors) : 4256 ** hits/seasons : 177.33 Hits season best : 230 total 200-hit seasons MLB : 10 total 150-hit seasons MLB : 18 Most HRs in a season MLB : 16 Most 2Bs in a season MLB : 51 20 or more HR seasons MLB : 0 Most RBIs in a season MLB : 82 100 or more RBI seasons MLB : 0Obviously Pete does looses in some categories here, but I think wins overall. Neither are power hitters. Nor were either cleanup hitters. Ichiro is slightly better at hitting HRs and Pete is better at hitting doubles.
** Score: Ichiro 2 Pete 1
Lastly, lets look at defense. PL does not record errors, so we must look at MLB only. Given that Ichiro has 7 Gold Gloves in PL, I doubt it matters.
Career Career Career Player Games Errors FE% lgFld% Ichiro 2263 37 0.0163 .986 Pete 3528 213 0.0604 .982That looks like an easy call. I guess that is why Ichiro has soooo many more Golden Glove awards - 17 versus Pete's 2 GGs.
** Score: Ichiro 3 Pete 1
If you take out Ichiro`s PL stats, this contest still easily goes to Ichiro. The only real difference is should Ichiro PL hits take away for Pete`s Hit title. With MLB only stats, Pete has the title with 4256 versus Ichiro`s 3061. But if you combine Ichiro`s total big league hits (no minors), he has 4339 hits. I also find it interesting how mad the Pete fans get when some expert proclaims Ichiro better. I think they have good reason to make that statement.
** My evaluated winner is: Ichiro Suzuki