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Post: Ichiro v Pete
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Sat-05-Aug-2017 Posted by Mike Ichiro v Pete
The question I have heard asked over the last couple years is this, "is Ichiro better than Pete Rose?" Some say Pete, some say Ichiro. So... I have decided to do some data evaluation. At first glance, both are amazing players with HoF stats. Let compare the two.

First, lets look at batting averages:
 
Ichiro Suzuki
Seasons MLB                          : 17
Seasons PL (Japan)                   : 9
  Best qualifying batting average MLB: .372
  Best qualifying batting average PL : .385
  Career average batting average MLB : .312
  Career average batting average PL  : .353

Pete Rose
Seasons MLB                          : 24
  Best qualifying batting average MLB: .348
  Career average batting average MLB : .303

Easy call, Ichiro overwhelmingly wins on batting average.
**Score: Ichiro 1 Pete 0

Now lets look at awards:
 
Ichiro Suzuki
Seasons MLB                         : 17
Seasons PL (Japan)                  : 9
  All-Star MLB                      : 10
  All-Star PL                       : N/A  
  Gold Glove Award MLB              : 10     
  Gold Glove Award PL               : 7      
  Batting Titles MLB                : 2
  Batting Titles PL                 : 6
  League MVP MLB                    : 1
  League MVP PL                     : 3 
  MLB Rookie of the Year            : Yes
  PL Rookie of the Year             : No

Pete Rose
Seasons MLB                         : 24
  All-Star MLB                      : 17
  Gold Glove Award MLB              : 2
  Batting Titles MLB                : 3
  League MVP MLB                    : 1 
  MLB Rookie of the Year            : Yes
 
I have to give this to Ichiro also although not as big of a win with the exception of Ichiro gold glove awards that smokes Pete. Both were MLB Rookie of the years. Both won the MLB League MVP once. Ichiro did win it 3 other times in the P If you compare GG from MLB only Ichiro wins 10 to 2. If you add the PL, Ichiro wins 17 to 2. If you compare MLB only batting titles, it is a 3 to 2 win for Pete. If you add batting titles from PL, then it goes to Ichiro 8 to 3.

** Score: Ichiro 2 Pete 0

Next, lets look at hitting. This is where Pete brags he is the best of the best.
Ichiro Suzuki
Seasons MLB                         : 17
Seasons PL (Japan)                  : 9
  Total MLB Hits                    : 3061
  Total PL Hits                     : 1278
  * Total career hits (no minors)   : 4339
  ** hits/seasons                   : 166.88
  Hits season best MLB              : 262
  Hits season best PL               : 210
  total 200-hit seasons MLB         : 10
  Total 200-hit seasons PL          : 1  
  total 150-hit seasons MLB         : 12
  Total 150-hit seasons PL          : 6
  Most HRs in a season  MLB         : 15
  Most HRs in a season  PL          : 25
  Most 2Bs in a season  MLB         : 34
  Most 2Bs in a season  PL          : 41
  20 or more HR seasons MLB         : 0
  20 or more HR seasons PL          : 2
  Most RBIs in a season MLB         : 69
  Most RBIs in a season PL          : 91
  100 or more RBI seasons MLB       : 0
  100 or more RBI seasons PL        : 0

Pete Rose
Seasons                             : 24
  Total MLB Hits                    : 4256
  * Total career hits (no minors)   : 4256
  ** hits/seasons                   : 177.33
  Hits season best                  : 230
  total 200-hit seasons MLB         : 10  
  total 150-hit seasons MLB         : 18
  Most HRs in a season  MLB         : 16
  Most 2Bs in a season  MLB         : 51
  20 or more HR seasons MLB         : 0
  Most RBIs in a season MLB         : 82
  100 or more RBI seasons MLB       : 0
 
Obviously Pete does looses in some categories here, but I think wins overall. Neither are power hitters. Nor were either cleanup hitters. Ichiro is slightly better at hitting HRs and Pete is better at hitting doubles.

** Score: Ichiro 2 Pete 1

Lastly, lets look at defense. PL does not record errors, so we must look at MLB only. Given that Ichiro has 7 Gold Gloves in PL, I doubt it matters.
  
               Career  Career  Career
Player  Games  Errors  FE%     lgFld% 
Ichiro  2263   37      0.0163  .986 
Pete    3528   213     0.0604  .982
 
That looks like an easy call. I guess that is why Ichiro has soooo many more Golden Glove awards - 17 versus Pete's 2 GGs.

** Score: Ichiro 3 Pete 1

If you take out Ichiro`s PL stats, this contest still easily goes to Ichiro. The only real difference is should Ichiro PL hits take away for Pete`s Hit title. With MLB only stats, Pete has the title with 4256 versus Ichiro`s 3061. But if you combine Ichiro`s total big league hits (no minors), he has 4339 hits. I also find it interesting how mad the Pete fans get when some expert proclaims Ichiro better. I think they have good reason to make that statement.

** My evaluated winner is: Ichiro Suzuki
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